Ziya means “source of light”, “radiance”, something that shines brilliantly and lightens up the area around it. So we get to the husband of the outcaste Kolathiri (or Namboothiri) lady. Also there are Konkani's, Muslims, Christian s , Punjabis and foreigners. It's because of your unintelligence that we don't prefer you. )Maurya/Shakya is a popular sirname amongst the landholding peasant community of Kurmi in eastern MP bordering Bihar and Jharkhand. If someone bully's you. Who is this Shyam.. crazy guy.. is truly a Thiyya ???? The Bunt/Nairs were basically non Dravidian Naga people from Ahichatram/Nepal but mixed with Tamils in the latterdays. They own Engineering colleges, Medical colleges, Star hotels, Hospitals, Construction companies, IT companies and other Business establishments. Yes I do have some aunt's from Northern part of Kerala. Looking at it from afar, our ancestors were perhaps originating from Africa, later possibly from up North, but yes, everybody came from somewhere, sometime. Is this not enough for you guys? Quote " If Conflict does not exist in history its not Harmony, but apathy".During the late 60's my mother a Thiyya was supposed to get married to a Thiyya Hotel entrepreneur. )The hilly forested tracts of Kerala were initially inhabited by aborigines, who we know today as the 'tribals.' common perception is that this term is derived from the Toddy tapping occupation which used the 'Eechala' (Palm) tree...and hence mythologies of a son born to Shiva and Parvati under an Eechala tree (reminds me of one of the hypothesis of the origin of Kadamba dynasty, that too was under a Kadamba tree!). Don't be ridiculous! another equally famous temple of Renuka is at Saundatti, where she is known as Yellamma. http://www.himalmag.com/component/content/article/5131-lost-rulers-of-the-malabar-coast.html A Mestizo (Portuguese + Indian) community evolved in the 16th century.The Portuguese supported the Tulu Nepalese dynasties who practiced Matriarchy with the Christian army of the Mestizos. The message reached my paternal grandfather stating that your son is moving around with a Pregnant lady. They then realized that the boy was not an ordinary child but God. It's nothing new to be honest. thanks shyam, sateeshfor these valuable inputsmy research continues and i will make an update article soon, thanks kannurgal..that is an interesting question.thiyyas were primarily found in N Malabar and are different from ezhavas, though classified under one heading today.I believe that either they were indigenous to N Malabar who became oppressed for some reason or the other - perhaps suppression of Buddhism / Jainism or they came due to their trade-craft from another place. Muthappan chose Kunnathoor as His residence at the request of Chandan. Lot of your comments makes sense and really impressed by what you know about your Ezhavas' history but are you biased while looking into other caste/subcaste's history? Famous Panickers are of Cheerappanchira, Varanapally etc. Thiyya Matrimonial; Thiyyas, also known as Ezhavas and Billavas, form the largest Hindu community in the state of Kerala. Have a great day, everyone !! Never mind, you can improve it. Why do Thiyya's make it a point to say like we want Thiyyas for a reason which we don't even know! Other than that, no other difference between the both the communities. Except Thiyar only Brahmins have practiced vydyam but it doesn’t not meet ability to Thiyya vydyas . You were saying your approach of mannerism, culture, leadership, skill, genuineness? Nair community have theeyattu ritual same like Theyyam. With people with leadership skills as Mr. Premdev, I could totally see where your vehicle is going. Ezhava is not one caste, you talk like you are not a part of it. Also, who on earth said all North women are fair and all south women are dark? Why do we even need a community in the first place? Thiyyas in kannur intermarry hence most are related either by blood or marriage. Its meaning is "Gift Of God". So? Which is clearly the reason why different castes want to be a part of Ezhavas. They used Basmachikilsa for this, Preparation of medicine is very critical. The same goes for all my cousin's and my own sister. The Thiyyas continued to prosper and do well, some of the greatest writers like SK Pottekkat, OV Vijayan etc are testimony to the creative geniuses of the community. How about the Thiyyas? https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-members-of-the-Kerala-Hindu-Thiyya-caste-call-themselves-superior-and-different-than-Ezhava-even-though-both-are-considered-as-one-caste-by-the-Kerala-government/answer/Adhithya-Kiran. We already have arranged marriages between Nair community, Tulu Brahmin and Namboothiris. Get huge collection of Tamil Thiya Videos, movie trailers, movie clips, video, photos, promos, music launch videos, party videos, event and entertainment videos and more. They happened to have two different names, thats because of the geographical difference. So now we establish the geographical distribution and get a general understanding of the categories. Lets be clear here. Try write some novels in malayalam weeklies.. Thiyyas are backward community.. Perhaps there were thiyya gurukkals in those tharavads too, I do not know for sure. The arrow, when it was found, was glowing in the Theertha (sacred water) near the temple. Also, we don't want be known by your name either. Pinne ith kooduthalum malayalies ayirikyum vayikyunna he too is charaterised as a staunch devotee of Shiva. Unniyarcha lived around AD 16th and cheraman perumal livid around AD 600 the era of Muhammad Nabhi. How can thiyyas be from kirgistan when we believe that Mahabali is our King. Be the change you want to see. We are Thiyyas but Myself & childrens has not applied for OBC certificate in mumbai. There is not much interaction between Hindus, Muslims and Christians as before. So when Tamil Brahmins introduced Hinduism to Kerala. So now we note that Shanars, Chovas and Izhavas perhaps had direct Lankan origins. Dear chethan, Also stated is that both Thiyyas and Ezhavas perhaps originated from the Shanars (which he says is refuted by both communities) and made coconut cultivation their occupation. Nayara, Menava Kuruba and Samanthas were some of. They seeked protection from Sree Narayana Guru and now wants to split. The problem is that if you accept Namboodris then you have to reject Tamil and Cholas and vice versa. Now I have both Nair and Thiyya Heritage. I am told it refers to one's profession, as we are basically Fishermen. Our temples are centuries old and some are open to public.Our ancestors were educates.Vedas were recovered from my Brother-in-laws 200 year old house and historians preserve it monthly. Further explained is the fact that Covan perhaps meant Sevakan and that there were many Ezhava soldiers in the Travancore Raja’s army and that they were called Chova soldiers. I feel this whole thing was framed for dividing Hindus. Castes & Tribes of Southern India – Thurston HAHAHA THIS MUTHAPAN IS ITSELF A LOW CASTE GOD A DEVIL GOD NO ONEO EXCEPT IN NORTH MALABAR CONSIST THEM AS GOD IT IS A DEVIL GOD ! They follow marumakkathayam. @ Rekha Hi Rekha, I understand your attachment to cultural things but I don't really understand one's attachment to a caste. A section of them ('L' group) then moved to north Malabar, Coorg and the Nilgiris via Pakistan and Rajasthan," he says.Another part of this group called Sekon went south-west to Indus Valley to Punjab and another called Sekovar to Rajasthan. The jungle was dark causing their skin to become fair because they do not need melanin to protect themselves from the radiation of the sun rays. Also I feel like puking after reading your comment. Elites among them had titles of Channan or panikkan. on this matchmaking site. Please abstain from calling other community bad even if some of them might have given you bad time. I mean we are better united I think. Buddhists and Jainism people were the first inhabitants of Kerala. If that's the case, then Ezhavas should be saying we are neither Hindus nor OBC we are Buddhists, we are going back to Sri Lanka. )my community incidentally is known as Halepaik (popularly Namadhari in present day and in Caste list)in all of the historical references (even in the 10th century Kannada text Vikramarjuna Vijaya of Pampa)...the caste is also known as Deeva and caste people called as Deevara makkalu (remember the Dheevara,Dheemar in the beginning of this article? Yes, exactly correct.thiyyas are not ezhavas. The word paik was used in Assam during Ahom era. I will say an unfortunate example, in my area, one Ezhava girl got married to a muslim guy. Probably due to the influence of kingdoms ruled those areas like Mushika and Ay kingdoms and later day bunt and Nair kingdoms. Dr. Gundert probably would have visited Kunhikannan Gurukkal's house to know more about ayurvedic medicine. 7) Rama - Rama was about 13 feet tall dark-skinned person. [3] when thiruvappan traveled through the jungle he reached puralimala near Peravoor and met another muthappan, Thiruvappan called him cherukkan (meaning young boy in Malayalam) and accompanied him .this second muthappan is called as Vellattam.this theyyam carries round shaped throne made of hay. All hindus should unite and be one. No one in this entire planet cares to read your history when we don't even know such a caste in the first place! All hindus should be united to fight against people who have bad intentions for hindus. So casteism is something which doesn't exist in Buddhism. therez even a Subdivision by name Dheemarkheda in Katni district of MP.The Dheemars are classified alongwith other castes like 'Kevat's (does it ring a bell? Ezhavas can easily identify Ezhavas and Sri Lankans too. Also recently we got several thaliolas from my Brother-in-laws 200 year old house and it was written in Sanskrit mostly Vedas and now the historians are preserving it and some were retrieved from my house as well.So I believe our ancestors were not illiterate. Even though its late I fully agree on what you had mentioned. It is an open shrine and site of devotion situated under a big tree , like the banyan tree. caste system is basically unnatural and this can be seen by any one who thinks.earlier during the period of severe caste indulgences each caste actually dependent on other castes. English Word for Malayalam word തോട - Thoda, English Meaning for Malayalam word തോട - Thoda, English equivalent for Malayalam word തോട - Thoda, ... swantham Thottathil‍ Nattuvalar‍thiya മലയാളം അർത്ഥം (ML -- ML) Homo centric Did you read through the whole article? It has the same meaning that Tibet is included in Burma. The Tiyyas of Malabar don’t seem to like it one bit and have been somewhat vociferous about that aspect. The perumal is stumped and pleads with the king of Ceylon for the return of some of the carpenters. Cheruvari Govindan Shirastadar on 9th July 1905. Food for thought! He would then take food to the poor and mingle with the backward communities. Those connected with hair cutting were known as Kaavu Thiyyas, those connected with teaching were known as Ezhuthachchans and those connected with astrology were known as Kaniyas. Was he a Buddhist at nearby Dharmadom? They are not seen in South Travancore. ''All the other Hindu Easters put together will not reach any where near then in numerical strength . The-split-out India has the second most diverse DNA. A substantial number of Ezhavas in Kerala are in the creamy layer (wealthy) category and they are getting more status than Savarnas. Cited Source. Chandan (an illiterate toddy tapper) knew that his toddy was being stolen from his palm trees, so he decided to guard them. During the nineteenth century, Ezhavas were ruthlessly discriminated against by the administrations of erstwhile Travancore and Kochi. He survived the great deluge with his wife shradha, 2 children and other prajapathis, hence we count human evolution further there onwards only. Historians had recovered many Thaliolas grandhams from our home. whereas a girl hardly goes to husbands house, so her family wealth will be with her, so no need to have dowry. Kingdom of ambalappuzha had many chekava soldiers. As a youth in his late Twenties, what I feel is Our goal for the future should be organisation of Thiya community irrespective of our diverse names, Languages, financial condition and reach out to the last member of our community for strengthening us for the future,but here all I can read is how superior and un-Indian and fair we are from others etc etc and delusions .I belong to Tulu Thiya community who are also called as Malyalee-Billawa and Belchada.We worship Bhagawati amma and our kula guru is Shree Guru Narayana Swami.In Tulunadu, we share brotherly relationship with Guru Narayana Swami worshiping Billawa community and other communities, we don't consider anyone superior or inferior.There are other Thiyas who speaks a very different language which is mixture of Tulu,Kannada and Malyalam which is called Malyalee by them,even they are busy infighting.I don't get this Thiyas pre and post-independence have been oprressed,killed and converted gruesomely in Khilafat movement then,and still are targeted in places like Manjeshwar, Kasargod,Maddur especially the southern part of Tulunadu that falls in Nothern Kerala. 4) Agniras lineage or Agnivanshi (This is a combination of Rishi Agniras+Bhrighu lineage, as it strengthened after parasuramas intervention) Veda followed was Atharva ..Breed Indo-Caucasian Haplogroup H/I/J/K with R1a1a1b1 and R2a2b2b2 subgroups the legends in Lanka talk about a prince coming there by ship and propagating a clan after marriage with the local princess..very similar to the stories we get to here about the Hindu kingdoms of Southeast. And DNA diversity decreases away from India. Thiyya groups is up to Cochi and during the fircull conversion of Tippu period many thiyya family have migrated to the shelter of the king of Travancore. India was actually joined to Africa as all modern scientists agree. The coastal belts of trichur district has lots of prominent south malabar thiyya families. Both ezhavas and thiyyas have had great warrior traditions, this was tactically erased from the history. Kumaranaasan who was staying with Dr. Palpu in Bangalore accepted the invitation and consequent on his arrival the first meeting was convened at ‘Parambath House’ of Sri. History of Kerala - KV Krishna Iyer Haha write a letter to govt to take away the obc reservation... You people are really funny.. Pillais(Vellala) and Panicker (Villavar/Nadalvar title) indicate Bunt Nair mixture with Tamils.After the fall of Chera Kingdom Kerala was integral part of the Pandyan Kingdom of Villavar –Nadalvar Tamils until 1310 AD. Your vote bank is going to be zero. This was printed in Bassel Mission press in Mangalore[1872],Malayala Bhasha Vyakaranam[1868],Dr.Herman Gudert came to Oracheri house at chokli on 19th Feb1840 and at that time, Kunhikannan Gurukkal [the eldest brother] was 76 years old and this is recorded in Gundert's diary. SNDP is a group where they support each other. And knowing about our ancsestors or what out forefathers had been is not a racial discrimination or any caste comparisoN . Lol Anyone can have these qualities. We should be proud Indians above a proud Hindu . What is the meaning of Thiya? Mr.Herman Gundert is known today for his contribution to Malayalam-the first Malayalam Bible, Malayalam /English Dictionary etc. ( http://mypaivalike.blogspot.in/ )But there are many instances in the book where Thurstan says that the Thiyyas were enjoying a better status in the society. Barbosa, Pyrard etc mentioned about this community or caste. Hi Shyam, I find your comment ridiculous. It's either the girls family is rich or the girl herself ask for it, not that the guys asks. So the committe again visited Narayana Guru and invited him to Thalassery.Subsequently, Sri Narayana Guru arrived at Thalassery on 17th March 1906. And a word of advice stop learning from people like Mr. Premdev. Seriously a psycho. I am not sure. Thiyar.. Wikipedia classifies Thiyya as part of Ezhava community. tiyan translation in Cebuano-Malayalam dictionary. I feel South is much more forward that the North. Both having many simililarities in many different angle. This narrative was carried out by Malayalam Manorama press. The eight illams are nellika, Pullani, vangeri, kozhikalan, patayanguti, managuti, thenanguti, velakanguti. The ethnographical survey of the Cochin state, Volume 10 - L Anantha Krishna Iyer I have heard North doesn't marry from South. Yes, I do agree with Hindu's standing together. To be honest, even today most Ezhavas in other parts of Kerala is totally unaware of Thiyyas. Famous Panickers are of Cheerappanchira, Varanapally tharavad etc. However they can be extremely fair but I have never seen extremely dark persons in Ezhavas. The first is attributed to some old Tamil Puranic texts where a Buddhist King Illa or Izha of Ceylon went to Chidambaram with his priests for a religious discussions presided by the Saivite priest Manikavachakar. In Ernakulam it has come to a point where we dont even know our caste name. I am Ezhava and my family too has possession of grandhas and thaliolas. But apart from this, in the later times, there was also another assortment of splitting up of the Thiyya groups according to the occupation. Just relax Shami. My sister married a Thiyya from Thalassery. I am Thiyya but its the same.' It shows thiyar had been a higher level spiritual power, which is better than Brahmins (According to oral history, the only priest who has acquired the power to conduct ‘Sarpabali’ is the Komaram of Gurukkanmar Kavu in Peralasseri Panchayaths. I may need a bit of geological facts and science also to make it more clearer on this subject. They follow marumakkathayam. Not because we asked them too. In the same vein he explains that Izahvan means from Izham, an old name for Ceylon. I think after the independence Thiyya community graph went down. Once India split off from Africa, the population of India evolved. The titles they carried are Chekavar (Soldiers) Kurups (priests), Panikkars (trainers – kalari), vauydyan, Jolsyan, Asan (teachers) and finally Thandan the headman. We marry from different castes, there is no question of subcastes. A nair and even a Tulu Brahmin. Ezhavars or izhavars or illavars are Originated as Elamo-Iranian tribes at western "ilam" provice of Iran and evolved as an Indo-Dravidian race at Harappa Valley Civilisation. The whole other upper community is so nice now and want SNDP to stay with them. If you read through the comments you can clearly see that its a comment war! If the Thiyyas don't want to identify with us due to prejudices, fine with us.It only reflects their own prejudiced and impure mindset, and the sooner they leave the ezhava fold the better.We have a great leader in Sree Narayana Guru spoken in the same voice as that of Buddha and Shankaracharya . 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